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Re: Programming is complex: HTML5 data-*

Ian Hickson — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:51:40 -0000

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Re: Programming is complex: HTML5 data-*

Andrey Shchekin — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:24:35 -0000

ASP.NET was a solution that was expected to be 'simple for developers'. Just drag&drop some things and get the work done.
That worked, to some extent. In the same way the data-* would work, as long as the task is not complex enough.

ASP.NET MVC is the flexible solution. For some people, it might not be as easy to use or understand as original ASP.NET.
However flexibility has proven to be very important, important enough for Microsoft to spend time and resources to develop it.
Would the original ASP.NET be created, if Microsoft started with ASP.NET MVC? I am not sure.

Re: Programming is complex: HTML5 data-*

Andrey Shchekin — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:14:48 -0000

People who write awesome JavaScript code _are_ programmers. Their job may be named 'designer', but it is a misnomer.
If a person writes good JavaScript, then he is a JavaScript programmer, and people writing really good JavaScript have no problems understanding complex things -- namespaces are a piece of cake compared to prototypes.

Re: Programming is complex: HTML5 data-*

Steve — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:33:08 -0000

Hmm, I believe you're mixing up several completely unrelated topics. X/HTML 5 is not for the programmer and therefore should be as simple as possible, even if it means mimicking XML functionality. The paragraphs about standards (language stuff) and ASP.NET MVC are completely unrelated to the X/HTML 5 debate. While data-* is about programming, you may want to ask yourself how many web designers are not programmers, nevertheless, writing awesome JavaScript code? data-* is made for them not primarily for programmers in its conventional perception.

Additionally, I do not fully understand the last paragraph. What are you trying to say? What does ease of use have to do with ASP.NET MVC? It's a design pattern, not more. More importantly, it is something that exists in other languages for ages which MS thought of being completely unnecessary. MVC is neither an "easy solution" nor a "shortcut" of some kind.